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		<title>Are Claimants Required to Submit Unhelpful Medical Records</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Ginsberg</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as the &#034;perfect&#034; case.  Even the most deserving claimants may end up with a doctor who they don&#039;t like or with whom they do not get along.  This is especially true in &#034;pain&#034; cases when narcotic medicines may be prescribed.  There are also doctors out there who do not believe in the concept of disability &#8211; as far as they are concerned no one is fully disabled and these doctors will not cooperate with a Social Security claimant at all (needless to say, it is helpful if you discover this trait in your treating doctors early enough in your case to find another doctor!).</p>
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<p>Post from: <a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com">Social Security Disability Blog</a><br/><br/><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/08/20/are-claimants-required-to-submit-unhelpful-medical-records/">Are Claimants Required to Submit Unhelpful Medical Records</a></p>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as the &#034;perfect&#034; case.  Even the most deserving claimants may end up with a doctor who they don&#039;t like or with whom they do not get along.  This is especially true in &#034;pain&#034; cases when narcotic medicines may be prescribed.  There are also doctors out there who do not believe in the concept of disability &#8211; as far as they are concerned no one is fully disabled and these doctors will not cooperate with a Social Security claimant at all (needless to say, it is helpful if you discover this trait in your treating doctors early enough in your case to find another doctor!).</p>
<p>What about unhelpful medical records?  I see this frequently in cases where there was a workers&#039; compensation case.  &#034;Company doctors&#034; often minimize symptoms and generate records indicating that a claimant has the capacity to return to work.   Other times I see unhelpful records in cases where my client just did not &#034;click&#034; with his or her physician or psychiatrist.</p>
<p>One of my blog readers wrote me to ask about his obligation to submit unhelpful records in the context of a continuing disability review:</p>
<p>I have been on SSI for 8 years for mental illness. One recently former psychologist would say I was never disabled while my psychiatrist, and my new psychiatrist (the present one is moving) say I am disabled. <span id="more-346"></span>The psychologist and my new psychiatrist say not to put the former psychologist&#039;s name on the Review form: ssa-454-bk.  Am I allowed legally to leave her name off? What consequences whould there be. There is nothing on the form that says I can&#039;t omit information (no perjury warning). What are my rights, and if I put her on the form will my new psychiatrists&#039; opinions outweigh the old?</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Here is my response:</span> I do not believe that a claimant (or a claimant&#039;s attorney) has any obligation to submit unhelpful medical records.   This issue periodically comes up on listservs that go to claimant&#039;s lawyers and the general consensus among most attorneys seems to be that an attorney&#039;s obligation is to represent his clients zealously, meaning that there is no affirmative burden for that lawyer to submit unhelpful information.  I do know some lawyers, however, who take the opposite position, but it appears to me that they are in the minority.</p>
<p>In my opinion, this does not mean that you can lie during a hearing.  If a judge sees a reference to the unhelpful doctor in other records and asks you about it, you should tell the truth.  Unless the missing records constitute a huge black hole in your records, as a practical matter hearing judges usually do not have the time or inclination to hold up a decision to get those records.</p>
<p>Post from: <a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com">Social Security Disability Blog</a><br/><br/><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/08/20/are-claimants-required-to-submit-unhelpful-medical-records/">Are Claimants Required to Submit Unhelpful Medical Records</a></p>


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		<title>Should I File for Social Security if I Also Have a Pending Workers&#039; Comp and LTD Claim</title>
		<link>http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/05/24/disability-workers-compensation-short-term-disability/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Ginsberg</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Social Security disability cases often interface with workers&#039; compensation and short term or long term disability cases.  I recently received a question from a lady named Helena, who asks the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/05/24/disability-workers-compensation-short-term-disability/" class="more-link">More on Should I File for Social Security if I Also Have a Pending Workers&#039; Comp and LTD Claim</a></p>
<p>Post from: <a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com">Social Security Disability Blog</a><br/><br/><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/05/24/disability-workers-compensation-short-term-disability/">Should I File for Social Security if I Also Have a Pending Workers&#039; Comp and LTD Claim</a></p>


<p>Post from: <a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com">Social Security Disability Blog</a><br/><br/><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/05/24/disability-workers-compensation-short-term-disability/">Should I File for Social Security if I Also Have a Pending Workers&#039; Comp and LTD Claim</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Security disability cases often interface with workers&#039; compensation and short term or long term disability cases.  I recently received a question from a lady named Helena, who asks the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have been working in the medical field for over 13 years and more.  I am on short term disability. Can I apply for ssi due to my job may have caused my problem from lifting patients, pushing, pulling heavy patients to machines and other duties.  This job was very stressful and I am taking anti depressants and I am  seeing a psychiatrist.</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Here are my thoughts:</span> Helena certainly has the right to file for Social Security disability.  However, I would advise her to speak to her workers&#039;  compensation lawyer prior to doing so.   Workers&#039; compensation claims can involve a significant amount of money when they settle and filing for disability can impact the value of your workers&#039; compensation claim.</p>
<p>The value of a workers&#039; compensation claim often turns on the uncertainty that exists in terms of the claimant&#039;s prognosis for returning to work as well as uncertainty about the claimant&#039;s future medical treatment.  When you file a Social Security claim you are basically saying that you cannot work, and you will be bringing Medicare into the discussion in terms of future medical care.  Medicare&#039;s involvement also may affect your settlement because Medicare may demand that part of your settlement be set-aside to cover future medical care.</p>
<p>Long term and short term disability claims may also be impacted by a Social Security claim.</p>
<p>Bottom line &#8211; I would try to involve your lawyer as a point person to advise you about the various benefits to which you may be entitled and to help you decide about the timing or wisdom of pursuing these benefits.</p>
<p>Post from: <a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com">Social Security Disability Blog</a><br/><br/><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2009/05/24/disability-workers-compensation-short-term-disability/">Should I File for Social Security if I Also Have a Pending Workers&#039; Comp and LTD Claim</a></p>


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		<title>How Do Workers Compensation Offsets Affect Social Security Disability Payments?</title>
		<link>http://www.ssdanswers.com/2008/02/04/how-do-workers-compensation-offsets-affect-social-security-disability-payments/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Ginsberg</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>dear jonathan: i have been recieving ssd since around 2002 and also recieving workers comp (lifetime settlement)i am 53 years old.there is also a small payment from my ltd carrier, in the past they requested 13,000 back in which i paid because of approvel of ssd.i would like to know if ssd will want repayment of any of this money back also, I am over the 80% amount of former salery. i feel traped in this situation .i did use a law firm from the start and they handeled it all but never advised me on the details i described. &#160;to date ssd has never requested information on any other payments recieved .your advice would be appreciated ..thank you jonathan i would think a ssd review could come up in the next year.<br />
&#8211;Manny</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2008/02/04/how-do-workers-compensation-offsets-affect-social-security-disability-payments/" class="more-link">More on How Do Workers Compensation Offsets Affect Social Security Disability Payments?</a></p>
<p>Post from: <a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com">Social Security Disability Blog</a><br/><br/><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2008/02/04/how-do-workers-compensation-offsets-affect-social-security-disability-payments/">How Do Workers Compensation Offsets Affect Social Security Disability Payments?</a></p>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear jonathan: i have been recieving ssd since around 2002 and also recieving workers comp (lifetime settlement)i am 53 years old.there is also a small payment from my ltd carrier, in the past they requested 13,000 back in which i paid because of approvel of ssd.i would like to know if ssd will want repayment of any of this money back also, I am over the 80% amount of former salery. i feel traped in this situation .i did use a law firm from the start and they handeled it all but never advised me on the details i described. &nbsp;to date ssd has never requested information on any other payments recieved .your advice would be appreciated ..thank you jonathan i would think a ssd review could come up in the next year.<br />
&#8211;Manny</p>
<p><u>Jonathan Ginsberg responds:</u>&nbsp; Manny, thanks for your question.&nbsp; Generally, workers compensation does offset Social Security.&nbsp; The question in my mind &#8211; does your SSDI payment already reflect an offset for workers compensation?</p>
<p>In Georgia, where I practice, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.georgia-workers-compensation.com">Georgia workers compensation lawyers</a> include special language in workers comp settlements that treats any lump sum settlement as if it was being paid over your lifetime.&nbsp; In my law firm, my wife <a target="_blank" href="http://www.georgiaworkerscompblog.com">Jodi Ginsberg handles workers compensation cases</a>.&nbsp; If, for example, she settles a case for $50,000 for an individual who has a life expectancy of 30 years (per an actuarial table used in Georgia), this special settlement language treats the $50,000 not as a $50,000 lump sum but as $138.00 per month for 30 years.&nbsp; In this example, our claimant would see his SSDI reduced by $138 per month.</p>
<p>You need to speak to your workers&#039; compensation lawyer to see if your State has similar rules and to see if your settlement contains this pro rata payout language.</p>
<p>If Social Security did not take your workers compensation settlement into account, there could be issues &#8211; you will need to seek counsel to evaluate how to deal with this problem.&nbsp; I have seen some instances where a&nbsp; workers&#039; compensation settlement has been reopened and the special language put in, and I have seen situations where a claimant successfully asked Social Security for a waiver of the overpayment obligation.&nbsp; There is also a possibility that you could file bankruptcy to discharge any repayment obligation to Socal Security.</p>
<p>Post from: <a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com">Social Security Disability Blog</a><br/><br/><a href="http://www.ssdanswers.com/2008/02/04/how-do-workers-compensation-offsets-affect-social-security-disability-payments/">How Do Workers Compensation Offsets Affect Social Security Disability Payments?</a></p>


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